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Soobshchenie #202 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 19-06-95 10:56:10
Ot Kogo : Michael Sachkov
Komu : Anatoly Basov
Tema : Krym
Hello Anatoly!
Thursday June 15 1995 17:42, Anatoly Basov wrote to Slava Abramov:
LK>>> gde mozhno v Krymu ryadom s morem vstat' s _palatkoj_ na nedelyu
LK>>> (poltory)? Hochetsya v sentyabre-oktyabre vyvesti zhenu i dochku (ej
LK>>> budet ~10mes) na more, poetomu hotelos' by vse srazu: i more, i
LK>>> bez naroda i t.p. ;-)
SA>> Est' takoe simpatichnoe mesto. Mezhdu YAltoj i Sevastopolem est'
SA>> poselok Foros. V 20 minutah hod'by ot Forosa, mezhdu dorogoj i
SA>> morem mnogo raschishchennyh gotovyh stoyanok pod palatki. |to mezhdu
SA>> sanatoriem i gorbachevskoj dachej. Mesto klassnoe. My tuda vesnoj
SA>> na skaly ezdim. No my vyshe dorogi stanovimsya. A esli prosto
SA>> otdohnut' na more edesh' - to nado vnizu vstat', poblizhe k etomu
SA>> samomu moryu. Stoyanki v lesu, tam duby, sosny i eshche mnogo chego.
SA>> Esli zainteresuesh'sya - rasskazhu po-podrobnee.
AB> A kak vse-taki popodrobnee-to? Hotel mejlom na 5020/401.401
AB> da v moem pointliste takogo adresa nemae.
V rajone Forosa stoyanok dostatochno mnogo.
Dobiratsya mozhno raznymi putyami :
1. Iz YAlty (cherez Simferopol') na avtostancii sadishsya na avtobus
YAlta-Faros ili YAlta- Sevastopol' (ih tam neskol'ko "ekspresnost' raznaya" :-)))
doezzhaesh do povorota na Foros (to est' do mesta gde avtobus svernet s shosse
YAlta - Sevastopol' (on tam vsegda ostanavlivaetsya))
Ot etogo mesta idet vverh doroga na Bajdarskie vorota (eto takoj serpantin na
Forosskuyu stenu)
Stoyanki nahodyatsya na terrasah mezhdu shosse i stenoj
V eto vremya tam dostatochno mnogo naroda i s obustroennymi
stoyankami mogut byt' problemy no vsegda mozhno najti svobodnuyu
terrasu vykinut' paru kamnej nu raschistit' mesto v obshchem.
2. Iz Sevastopolya (delaetsya komandirovka v Sevastopol' v pasportnom stole na
nee stavitsya pechat' razresheniya v[ezda v pogran-zonu (fakt konechno interesnyj
razreshenie na v[ezd v pogranzonu chuzhogo gosudartsva :-))))
Dalee anologichno.
|tot put' luchshe tem ,chto iz Seva proshche uehat' i do Forosa blizhe raza v dva!
Voda vnizu nizhe shosse v detskom sanatorii mimo nego prohodit put na more.
Podrobnee mozhno sprosit' u lyubogo kogo vsretish tam.
ZHelatel'no ne stavit' palatki pryamo pod stenoj - letit tam vsyakoe kamni ,lyudi
inogda.
S soboj nado obyazatel'no brat' kanistry ili emkosti dlya vody i konechno luchshe
primus.
SHmotki bez prismotra luchshe tozhe ne ostavlyat' - voruyut.
V oktyabre - mozhno orientirovatsya po lyudyam s rukzakami ih tam prosto nemeryano!
Ot Forosa do Seva est' eshe stoyanki v rajone skaly Parus (prakticheski nad dachej
Gorbacheva) eshe blizhe k Sevu v rajone gory Kushkaya (Batiliman pos. Laspi)
Tam narodu nemnogo pomen'she.
Raznoobrazie skalolaznyh marshrutov v rajone Forossko-Melasskoj steny
privlekaet syuda bol'shee kolichestvo al'pinistsko-turistsko-skalolaznogo
naroda ,a sentyabr' oktyabr' samoe vremya dlya skalolaznogo-kryma.
(Vo ty pryam kak iz reklamnogo prospekta !)
WBR
Michael
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Soobshchenie #203 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 18-06-95 18:25:22
Ot Kogo : Yuri Volkov
Komu : All
Tema : What's in Crimea?
Privet!
Rebyata, mozhet, kto uzhe uspel s®ezdit' na otdyh v Krym?
Kak tam? CHto-to ya slyshal pro problemy na tamozhne..
... All I need is a Wave and a board to surf it on.
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Soobshchenie #204 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 20-06-95 15:44:00
Ot Kogo : Cyril Schmidt
Komu : Michael Sachkov
Tema : Krym
Privet, Michael!
Pn Iyun 19 1995 11:56, Michael Sachkov wrote to Anatoly Basov:
[beseda naschet stoyanki v Forose]
MS> V rajone Forosa stoyanok dostatochno mnogo.
MS> Dobiratsya mozhno raznymi putyami :
MS> 1. Iz YAlty (cherez Simferopol') na avtostancii sadishsya na avtobus
MS> YAlta-Faros ili YAlta- Sevastopol' (ih tam neskol'ko "ekspresnost'
MS> raznaya" :-))) doezzhaesh do povorota na Foros
A skol'ko eto mozhet stoit' (hotya by priblizitel'no)? I kakaya valyuta tam
hodit, krome karbovancev?
[...]
MS> 2. Iz Sevastopolya (delaetsya komandirovka v
MS> Sevastopol' v pasportnom stole na nee stavitsya pechat' razresheniya
MS> v[ezda v pogran-zonu (fakt konechno interesnyj razreshenie na v[ezd
MS> v pogranzonu chuzhogo gosudartsva :-))))
|to ne ustarevshie svedeniya?
Cyril
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Soobshchenie #206 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 22-06-95 08:58:54
Ot Kogo : Michael Sachkov
Komu : Cyril Schmidt
Tema : Krym
Hello Cyril!
Tuesday June 20 1995 16:44, Cyril Schmidt wrote to Michael Sachkov:
CS> [beseda naschet stoyanki v Forose]
MS>> V rajone Forosa stoyanok dostatochno mnogo.
MS>> Dobiratsya mozhno raznymi putyami :
MS>> 1. Iz YAlty (cherez Simferopol') na avtostancii sadishsya na avtobus
MS>> YAlta-Faros ili YAlta- Sevastopol' (ih tam neskol'ko "ekspresnost'
MS>> raznaya" :-))) doezzhaesh do povorota na Foros
CS> A skol'ko eto mozhet stoit' (hotya by priblizitel'no)? I kakaya valyuta
CS> tam hodit, krome karbovancev?
Ty znaesh' ne pomnyu ? Tak kak cherez YAltu ezdil davno v proshlom godu cherez
Sevastopol'. Ot Simferopolya do Sevastopolya ya doezzhal za to-li 8 to-li 9 kilo
rublej na rejsovom avtobuse . V predelah chervonca v obshchem. Sudya po kursu
karbovanca ceny dolzhny byli izmenitsya ne sil'no.
MS>> 2. Iz Sevastopolya (delaetsya komandirovka v
MS>> Sevastopol' v pasportnom stole na nee stavitsya pechat' razresheniya
MS>> v[ezda v pogran-zonu (fakt konechno interesnyj razreshenie na v[ezd
MS>> v pogranzonu chuzhogo gosudartsva :-))))
CS> |to ne ustarevshie svedeniya?
V proshlom godu v sentyabre delal eto lichno (minut 20 zanyalo).
Delaesh komandirovochnoe udostoverenie ,stavish' lyubuyu pechat' (u menya stoyala
chto-to tipa kolhoza "Svetlyj put'"-TOO moego priyatelya) i idesh v pasportnyj
stol. Esli postavyat znachit ne ustarelo.
WBR
Michael
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Soobshchenie #214 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 19-06-95 11:44:00
Ot Kogo : Dmitriy Palev
Komu : Anatoly Basov
Tema : Krym
Zdravstvujte lyubeznejshij, Anatoly!
CHet Iyun 15 1995 16:42, Anatoly Basov napisannoe Slava Abramov:
LK>>> gde mozhno v Krymu ryadom s morem vstat' s _palatkoj_ na
LK>>> nedelyu (poltory)? Hochetsya v sentyabre-oktyabre vyvesti zhenu i
LK>>> dochku (ej budet ~10mes) na more, poetomu hotelos' by vse
LK>>> srazu: i more, i bez naroda i t.p. ;-)
SA>> Est' takoe simpatichnoe mesto. Mezhdu YAltoj i Sevastopolem
SA>> est' poselok Foros. V 20 minutah hod'by ot Forosa, mezhdu
SA>> dorogoj i morem mnogo raschishchennyh gotovyh stoyanok pod
SA>> palatki. |to mezhdu sanatoriem i gorbachevskoj dachej. Mesto
SA>> klassnoe. My tuda vesnoj na skaly ezdim. No my vyshe dorogi
SA>> stanovimsya. A esli prosto otdohnut' na more edesh' - to nado
SA>> vnizu vstat', poblizhe k etomu samomu moryu. Stoyanki v lesu,
SA>> tam duby, sosny i eshche mnogo chego. Esli zainteresuesh'sya -
SA>> rasskazhu po-podrobnee.
edelyu pochtu ne razgrebal - byl v Krymu.
Proshlis' po kan'jonu reki CHernaya - udivitel'noe po krasote mesto (i po stepeni
dikosti!). A potom dnya tri na more otkisali.
a moj vzglyad Foros - eto to mesto kotoroe podojdet LK (sami tam stoyali) i to
mesto pod dachej Gorbacheva tozhe znayu - na skaly vyezzhali B-), no v etom godu my
ushli ot poselka v druguyu storonu. Obryv metrov 5 nad morem pokrytyj lesom, v
lesu kucha stoyanok, k moryu vedet tropka. Plyazh galechnyj, s nebol'shoj otmel'yu
potom - glubina s podvodnymi skalami. Esli est' lasty i maska mozhno
uvidet' na glubine uzhe 1,5 metrov takoj podvodnyj mir, chto nikakoj
Senkevich ne sravnit'sya.
Est' vozmozhnost' podvodnoj ohoty. My tam zharili kazhdyj den' midij, kotoryh
navalom na skalah (Recept v SU.Kitchen ili mylom). No samoe glavnoe - eto
samoe chistoe more v Krymu s izumitel'nym issinya-izumrudnym svecheniem vody.
Dno vidno metrov na 8).
Kak tuda popast':
1. Lyubym poezdom do Simferopolya
2. Pryamo s predvokzal'noj ploshchadi uhodyat mezhdugorodnie trolejbusy. uzhno vzyat'
bilet na trolejbus do YAlty. (~2,5 chasa)
3. Ot YAlty s avtovokzala na avtobuse v Foros (~1,5)
4. Ot ostanovki cherez poselok vlevo (licom k moryu) mimo kotel'noj (bol'shaya
takaya truba - daleko vidat'), ponerlagerya i prichala peshkom (~0,5-1 chasa)
Vodu mozhno brat' na prichale ili v pionerlagere.
Esli nuzhny podrobnosti - otvechu.
Vsyakih vam priyatnostej i lyubeznostej, Dmitriy
Esli b Mishki byli b pchelami,
to oni by ni pochem,
nikogda by ne nadumali,
na Forose stroit' Dom
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Soobshchenie #216 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 28-06-95 07:20:12
Ot Kogo : Slava Abramov
Komu : Dmitriy Palev
Tema : Krym
Hi Dmitriy!
19 Jun 95 11:44, Dmitriy Palev writes to Anatoly Basov:
DP> Esli nuzhny podrobnosti - otvechu.
A est' stoyanki, tak chtoby s morya palatku bylo vidat'?
My best regards, Slava.
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Soobshchenie #217 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 28-06-95 23:26:36
Ot Kogo : Denis Zuyev
Komu : Dmitriy Palev
Tema : Krym
Hello Dmitriy!
Monday June 19 1995, pis'mo Dmitriy Palev k Anatoly Basov:
DP> edelyu pochtu ne razgrebal - byl v Krymu.
DP> Proshlis' po kan'jonu reki CHernaya - udivitel'noe po krasote mesto (i po
DP> stepeni dikosti!). A potom dnya tri na more otkisali. a moj vzglyad Foros
DP> - eto to mesto kotoroe podojdet LK (sami tam stoyali) i to mesto pod
DP> dachej Gorbacheva tozhe znayu - na skaly vyezzhali B-), no v etom godu
DP> my ushli ot poselka v druguyu storonu. Obryv metrov 5 nad morem pokrytyj
DP> lesom, v lesu kucha stoyanok, k moryu vedet tropka. Plyazh galechnyj, s
DP> nebol'shoj otmel'yu potom - glubina s podvodnymi skalami. Esli est' lasty
DP> i maska mozhno uvidet' na glubine uzhe 1,5 metrov takoj podvodnyj mir,
DP> chto nikakoj Senkevich ne sravnit'sya. Est' vozmozhnost' podvodnoj ohoty.
DP> My tam zharili kazhdyj den' midij, kotoryh navalom na skalah (Recept v
DP> SU.Kitchen ili mylom). No samoe glavnoe - eto samoe chistoe more v Krymu
DP> s izumitel'nym issinya-izumrudnym svecheniem vody. (Dno vidno metrov na
DP> 8).
Mne znakomye iz Simeiza pishut chto u nih vsyu rastitel'nost' poeli gusenicy, v
rajone Forosa-Laspi kak s etim dela obstoyali, kogda ty tam byl?
D.Zuev
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Soobshchenie #218 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 28-06-95 00:50:00
Ot Kogo : Alex Aniskin
Komu : All
Tema : Krym
Dobrogo dnya,vechera,nochi Uvazhaemyj All!
Podskazhite pozhalujsta kto byl okolo pionerlagerya ARTEK?
Mozhno li tam vstat' s palatkoj gde-to ryadom,naskol'ko tam dikoe
mesto, i kakoj bereg i more?
Sobirayus' cherez paru nedel' tuda.
I eshche. Esli iz Novorossijska po moryu plyt' v YAltu to kak eto dolgo,
skol'ko stoit,i hodit li teplohod ili raketa?
A gde- by eshche i raspisanie uznat'!
Pomogite pozhalujsta,a to edu s det'mi, hotelos' by rasschitat'...
S nailuchshimi pozhelaniyami, Alex
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Soobshchenie #219 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 29-06-95 15:46:00
Ot Kogo : Dmitriy Palev
Komu : Slava Abramov
Tema : Krym
Zdravstvujte lyubeznejshij, Slava!
Srd Iyun 28 1995 07:20, Slava Abramov napisannoe Dmitriy Palev:
DP>> Esli nuzhny podrobnosti - otvechu.
SA> A est' stoyanki, tak chtoby s morya palatku bylo vidat'?
To mesto, chto ya opisyval vyglyadit tak:
/---\ <---Palatka
/-----\
___|_____|____
|
|
Zemlya \ _
| | |<---Utesy
\___ / |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
More
I more so stoyanki vidat', vidat' ee i s morya esli _eto_ vazhno, no poslednee
kak raz nedostatok - mogut na ogonek pogranichniki zaglyanut'... ZHV-)
Vsyakih vam priyatnostej i lyubeznostej, Dmitriy
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Soobshchenie #220 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 29-06-95 16:00:00
Ot Kogo : Dmitriy Palev
Komu : Denis Zuyev
Tema : Krym
Zdravstvujte lyubeznejshij, Denis!
Srd Iyun 28 1995 23:26, Denis Zuyev napisannoe Dmitriy Palev:
DZ> Mne znakomye iz Simeiza pishut chto u nih vsyu rastitel'nost' poeli
DZ> gusenicy, v rajone Forosa-Laspi kak s etim dela obstoyali, kogda
DZ> ty tam byl?
Da gusenic na plato hvataet. No nablyudal ya ih tol'ko naverhu, na plato. Vnizu,
v kan'jone reki CHernoj - ni odnoj. a beregu morya, gde my stoyali [pod Forosom]
popadalis' izredka, no daleko ne v tom kolichestve kak na plato. Zamecheno ih
pochti polnoe otsutstvie v lesu s nalichiem hvojnyh derev'v.
Hotya, v verhnih lesah ih stol'ko, chto otdohnut' pod derevom mozhno, no postoyano
prihodit'sya stryahivat' s sebya polzayushchih tvarej. I ya ne znayu kak bystro eta
zaraza raspostranyaetsya, i v kakuyu storonu... ZHV-( No dve nedeli nazad bylo tak
kak ya tut opisal.
DZ> D.Zuev
Vsyakih vam priyatnostej i lyubeznostej, Dmitriy
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Soobshchenie #221 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 30-06-95 12:25:52
Ot Kogo : Denis Zuyev
Komu : Dmitriy Palev
Tema : Krym
Hello Dmitriy!
Thursday June 29 1995, pis'mo Dmitriy Palev k Denis Zuyev:
DZ>> Mne znakomye iz Simeiza pishut chto u nih vsyu rastitel'nost' poeli
DZ>> gusenicy, v rajone Forosa-Laspi kak s etim dela obstoyali, kogda
DZ>> ty tam byl?
DP> Da gusenic na plato hvataet. No nablyudal ya ih tol'ko naverhu, na plato.
DP> Vnizu, v kan'jone reki CHernoj - ni odnoj. a beregu morya, gde my stoyali
DP> [pod Forosom] popadalis' izredka, no daleko ne v tom kolichestve kak na
DP> plato. Zamecheno ih pochti polnoe otsutstvie v lesu s nalichiem hvojnyh
DP> derev'v. Hotya, v verhnih lesah ih stol'ko, chto otdohnut' pod derevom
DP> mozhno, no postoyano prihodit'sya stryahivat' s sebya polzayushchih tvarej. I ya
DP> ne znayu kak bystro eta zaraza raspostranyaetsya, i v kakuyu storonu...
DP> ZHV-( No dve nedeli nazad bylo tak kak ya tut opisal.
Moi znakomye pishut chto lesniki opasayutsya vtoroj volny, v nej dolzhny byt' bolee
krupnye i prozhorlivye gusenicy (hotya les uzhe pochti ves' poeden i sejchas). Tak
chto kto tuda v palatkah sobiraetsya imejte eto vvidu, chto by na meste ne bylo
razocharovaniya.
D.Zuev
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Soobshchenie #195 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 14-06-95 06:56:06
Ot Kogo : Slava Abramov
Komu : All
Tema : Krym
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* Area : MO.TOURISM (MO.TOURISM)
* From : Irina Braychenko, 2:5020/401.401 (08 Jun 95 09:37)
* To : Leo Khakhan
* Subj : Krym
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Hello Leo!
04 Jun 95 18:06, Leo Khakhan (2:5020/279.10) wrote to All:
LK> gde mozhno v Krymu ryadom s morem vstat' s _palatkoj_ na nedelyu
LK> (poltory)? Hochetsya v sentyabre-oktyabre vyvesti zhenu i dochku (ej budet
LK> ~10mes) na more, poetomu hotelos' by vse srazu: i more, i bez naroda i
LK> t.p. ;-)
Est' takoe simpatichnoe mesto. Mezhdu YAltoj i Sevastopolem est' poselok
Foros. V 20 minutah hod'by ot Forosa, mezhdu dorogoj i morem mnogo
raschishchennyh gotovyh stoyanok pod palatki. |to mezhdu sanatoriem i
gorbachevskoj dachej. Mesto klassnoe. My tuda vesnoj na skaly ezdim.
No my vyshe dorogi stanovimsya. A esli prosto otdohnut' na more
edesh' - to nado vnizu vstat', poblizhe k etomu samomu moryu.
Stoyanki v lesu, tam duby, sosny i eshche mnogo chego. Esli zainteresuesh'sya
- rasskazhu po-podrobnee.
LK> I eshche: kakie hitrosti nado uchest'? Nu tipa, gde brat' vodu,
LK> na chem pishchu delat' ...
Pishchu tam na kostre mozhno gotovit', a mozhno i na primuse, esli est'
zhelanie. Drov tam dostatochno. Est' rodnikovyj istochnik pit'evoj
vody. V etom godu tam dazhe sdelali chto-to tipa dusha (podvesili
trubu povyshe), mozhno pomyt'sya. Za produktami mozhno v Foros hodit'.
Vsyacheskih udach!
Irina
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Hi All!
My best regards, Slava.
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Soobshchenie #197 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 15-06-95 16:42:44
Ot Kogo : Anatoly Basov
Komu : Slava Abramov
Tema : Krym
Hello Slava!
14 Jun 95 07:56, Slava Abramov wrote to All:
SA> = == * Forwarded by Slava Abramov (2:5020/157.1) * Area :
SA> MO.TOURISM (MO.TOURISM) * From : Irina Braychenko, 2:5020/401.401 (08 Jun
SA> 95 09:37) * To : Leo Khakhan * Subj : Krym
LK>> gde mozhno v Krymu ryadom s morem vstat' s _palatkoj_ na nedelyu
LK>> (poltory)? Hochetsya v sentyabre-oktyabre vyvesti zhenu i dochku (ej budet
LK>> ~10mes) na more, poetomu hotelos' by vse srazu: i more, i bez naroda i
LK>> t.p. ;-)
SA> Est' takoe simpatichnoe mesto. Mezhdu YAltoj i Sevastopolem est' poselok
SA> Foros. V 20 minutah hod'by ot Forosa, mezhdu dorogoj i morem mnogo
SA> raschishchennyh gotovyh stoyanok pod palatki. |to mezhdu sanatoriem i
SA> gorbachevskoj dachej. Mesto klassnoe. My tuda vesnoj na skaly ezdim.
SA> No my vyshe dorogi stanovimsya. A esli prosto otdohnut' na more
SA> edesh' - to nado vnizu vstat', poblizhe k etomu samomu moryu.
SA> Stoyanki v lesu, tam duby, sosny i eshche mnogo chego. Esli zainteresuesh'sya
SA> - rasskazhu po-podrobnee.
A kak vse-taki popodrobnee-to? Hotel mejlom na 5020/401.401
da v moem pointliste takogo adresa nemae.
Zaranee blagodaren,
Anatoly
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Soobshchenie #222 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 11-07-95 00:04:50
Ot Kogo : Asy Patrysheva
Komu : Dmitriy Palev
Tema : Krym
privet, dorogoj Dmitriy!
kak Vy Monday July 10 1995 08:20 tut izvolili napisat' k Cyril Schmidt :
> ! Origin: -= Palev_PC Station =- (2:466/10.102)
a u vas holera vse eshche??
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Soobshchenie #223 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 11-07-95 15:50:42
Ot Kogo : Denis Zuyev
Komu : Asy Patrysheva
Tema : Krym
Hello Asy!
Tiesday July 11 1995, pis'mo Asy Patrysheva k Dmitriy Palev:
>> ! Origin: -= Palev_PC Station =- (2:466/10.102)
AP> a u vas holera vse eshche??
V Krymu holery v etom godu ne bylo. Sejchas s vodoj tam, kak mne pishut, poluchshe
chem v proshlom i poetomu est' mnenie chto vse mozhet obojtis'.
D.Zuev
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To: lem@exban.msk.su
From: Denis Zuyev
Subject: Re: Voprosy po Krymu ??
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 13:15:38 +0300
---------------------------------------------
Hello Leonid!
Thursday July 13 1995, pis'mo lem@exban.msk.su k Denis Zuyev:
ls> A chto pishchut Vashi znakomye na dannyj moment.
ls> YA imeyu v vidu na schet gusenic v Forose i ne tol'ko, i holery v Krymu?
S gusenicami vse normal'no, oni zakuklilis' (kak eto tochno nazyvaetsya ya ne
znayu, no smysl v tom chto iz nih skoro budut babochki), vtoroj volny poka net.
Samoe smeshnoe chto vmesto poedennyh list'ev (a poeli pochti vse) polezli novye,
tak chto vse zeleneet vtoroj raz. Moi znakomye zhivut v Simeize i pishut pro
situaciyu s gusenicami mezhdu Alupkoj i Forosom. S vodoj sejchas luchshe chem v tom
godu, no nekotorye pereboi est'. Pogoda i more kak vsegda horoshie.
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* Ukraina voobshche (pro holeru i prochee) *
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Soobshchenie #21215 - RU.NEWS
Data : 12-07-95 08:46:58
Ot Kogo : Informator
Komu : All
Tema : PERVYE SLUCHAI ZABOLEVANIYA HOLEROJ ZAREGISTR
Subject:: PERVYE SLUCHAI ZABOLEVANIYA HOLEROJ ZAREGISTRIR
PERVYE SLUCHAI ZABOLEVANIYA HOLEROJ ZAREGISTRIROVANY V
HERSONSKOJ OBLASTI (UKRAINA)
DONECK, 11 iyulya (PF) -- Pervye zabolevaniya holeroj
zaregistrirovany v Hersonskoj oblasti Ukrainy: chetvero zhitelej
Belozerskogo rajona gospitalizirovany s etim diagnozom v
oblastnuyu infekcionnuyu bol'nicu, soobshchili "PostFactum" v
press-sluzhbe minzdrava Ukrainy.
Po svedeniyam istochnika, zhiteli Belozerskogo rajona
zarazilis' v rezul'tate upotrebleniya inficirovannoj ryby,
zavezennoj na mestnyj rynok iz Nikolaevskoj oblasti, gde, po
dannym na 9 iyulya, bylo zaregistrirovano 198 bol'nyh holeroj.
Po dannym glavnogo epidemiologa Minzdrava Ukrainy Evgeniya
Dobroshtana, k nastoyashchemu vremeni na territorii respubliki
zaregistrirovano 212 bol'nyh holeroj, 13 iz kotoryh nahodyatsya v
tyazhelom sostoyanii; vyyavleno 69 vibriononositelej.
V srednem, kazhdyj den' kolichestvo zarazhennyh uvelichivaetsya
na 5 chelovek. -syus-
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Soobshchenie #21709 - RU.NEWS
Data : 13-07-95 20:29:40
Ot Kogo : Informator
Komu : All
Tema : CHislo bol'nyh holeroj na Ukraine mozhet dostignu
Subject: CHislo bol'nyh holeroj na Ukraine mozhet dostignut'
CHislo bol'nyh holeroj na Ukraine mozhet dostignut' 2000
chelovek, soobshchil glavnyj specialist Gosudarstvennogo komiteta
sanitarno-epidemologicheskogo nadzora RF YU.Solov'ev.
On podcherknul, chto eto naibolee pessimisticheskij prognoz.
Po ego slovam, "iyul'-sentyabr' - naibolee opasnoe vremya
dlya rasprostranenie etoj infekcii". "Esli process ne
ostanovit', ne isklyuchena vozmozhnost' rasprostranenie holery v
drugih oblastyah Ukrainy, a takzhe v sosednih gosudarstvah", -
poyasnil on.
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Soobshchenie #21731 - RU.NEWS
Data : 13-07-95 20:40:44
Ot Kogo : Informator
Komu : All
Tema : CHISLO BOLXNYH HOLEROJ NA UKRAINE MOZHET DOSTIGNUTX
Subject: CHISLO BOLXNYH HOLEROJ NA UKRAINE MOZHET DOSTIGNUTX 20
CHISLO BOLXNYH HOLEROJ NA UKRAINE MOZHET DOSTIGNUTX 2000 CHELOVEK
- GOSKOMSAN|PIDNADZOR ROSSII
Moskva. 13 iyulya. INTERFAKS - CHislo bol'nyh holeroj na
Ukraine mozhet dostignut' 2000 chelovek, soobshchil "Interfaksu" v
chetverg glavnyj specialist Gosudarstvennogo komiteta
sanitarno-epidemologicheskogo nadzora RF (Goskomsanepidnadzora
Rossii) YUrij Solov'ev.
On podcherknul, chto eto naibolee pessimisticheskij prognoz.
Po ego slovam, "iyul'-sentyabr' - naibolee opasnoe vremya
dlya rasprostranenie etoj infekcii". "Esli process ne
ostanovit', ne isklyuchena vozmozhnost' rasprostranenie holery v
drugih oblastyah Ukrainy, a takzhe v sosednih gosudarstvah", -
poyasnil on.
YU.Solov'ev skazal, chto "Goskomsanepidnadzor Rossii
prinimaet ryad mer po sanitarnoj ohrane territorii Rossii dlya
predotvrashcheniya rasprostraneniya holery". On otmetil, chto "vse
grazhdane Ukrainy, obrativshiesya za pomoshch'yu v polikliniki i
bol'nicy Rossii, prohodyat obyazatel'noe bakteriologicheskoe
obsledovanie".
YU.Solov'ev soobshchil, chto chislo postradavshih ot holery v
Nikolaevskoj i Hersonskoj oblastyah Ukrainy dostiglo 326
chelovek, iz nih - 208 bol'nyh, 118 - vibriononositelej. "3
cheloveka, zabolevshih holeroj, umerli", - podcherknul medik.
Napomniv, chto vozbuditel' holery zhivet v vode, on
rekomendoval dlya predotvrashcheniya vozmozhnogo zabolevaniya
grazhdanam ne kupat'sya v neznakomyh mestah, a takzhe
osmotritel'no pokupat' produkty na ulice.
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To: lem@exban.msk.su
From: Denis Zuyev
Subject: Malen'koe dopolnenie k prevedushchemu pis'mu:
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 23:00:18 +0300
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Msg : 252 of 252
From : Nikolay Baranov 2:5020/28.4 12 Jul 95 10:19:44
To : All 13 Jul 95 21:10:28
Subj : temp\57092002.003: ..-.. H...........H.. .................. .....H....
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* Forwarded by Nikolay Baranov (2:5020/28.4)
* Area : RU.NEWS (RU.NEWS)
* From : Informator, 2:5020/157 (10 Jul 95 09:32)
* To : All
* Subj : IZ-ZA NEBLAGOPOLUCHNOJ |PIDEMIOLOGICHESKOJ OBSTANOVKI
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IZ-ZA NEBLAGOPOLUCHNOJ |PIDEMIOLOGICHESKOJ OBSTANOVKI ZAKRYTA
ZNACHITELXNAYA CHASTX CHASTX CHERNOMORSKIH I AZOVSKIH PLYAZHEJ
ODESSA, 9 iyulya (PF) -- Iz-za neblagopoluchnoj
epidemiologicheskoj obstanovki kategoricheski zapreshcheno kupat'sya v
Nikolaeve, Odesse, Mariupole, Berdyanske, Kerchi, Ochakove, Sakah,
YAlte, Sudake, a takzhe ryade drugih kurortnyh gorodov i poselkov
chernomorskogo i azovskogo poberezh'ya Ukrainy, soobshchili
"PostFactum" v sanepidemstancii Odesskoj oblasti.
|pidemiologi byli vynuzhdeny pojti na eti mery v razgar
kurortnogo sezona posle togo kak vyyasnilos', chto znachitel'naya
chast' prob morskoj i rechnoj vody ne sootvetstvuet trebovaniyam
standartov. -ovm-
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V principe eto ni o chem ne govorit, ochistnye sooruzheniya v nashih chernomorskih
gorodah (poselkah) otsutstvuyut kak klass, tak chto epidemiologicheskaya obstanovka
sootvetstvuyushchaya vezde i vsegda, pro avarii nichego zdes' net. Da i eto mozhet
byt' prosto dezoj, sanepidemstanciya Odesskoj oblasti nikakogo otnosheniya k Krymu
ne imeyut, u nih v Odesse i Nikolaeve sluchai holery byli, im nado etim
zanimat'sya, a ne paniku razvodit'. V YAlte (eto vse taki ne ochen' malen'kij
gorod) vsegda voda namnogo gryaznej chem v Forose (v teh krayah v rajone buhty
Laspi / mysa Ajya samoe chistoe more na YUBK) ili dazhe Simeize s Koktebel'yu.
Strasti lyubyat lyudi nagnetat', no ya schel neobhodimym tebe eto pis'mo pereslat'.
YA pri sluchae zadam svoim znakomym vopros slyshali li oni chego pro zakrytie
plyazhej v Krymu, posmotrim chto oni otvetyat.
Denis Zuev
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Soobshchenie #226 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 13-07-95 14:21:06
Ot Kogo : Denis Zuyev
Komu : Asy Patrysheva
Tema : Holera v ikolaeve (bylo: Re: Krym)
Hello Asy!
Tuesday July 11 1995, pis'mo ot Denis Zuyev k Asy Patrysheva:
>>> ! Origin: -= Palev_PC Station =- (2:466/10.102)
AP>> a u vas holera vse eshche??
DZ> V Krymu holery v etom godu ne bylo. Sejchas s vodoj tam, kak mne pishut,
DZ> poluchshe chem v proshlom i poetomu est' mnenie chto vse mozhet obojtis'.
Subj menyat' nado, inogda ;). A to tak rozhdayutsya sluhi.... Po povodu holery v
Nikolaeve (/466), za neskol'ko mesyacev (osobenno letnih) holera vryadli
projdet,tak chto esli sluchaev zabolevaniya net, to eto ni
o chem ne svidetel'stvuet.
D.Zuev
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Soobshchenie #21912 - RU.NEWS
Data : 14-07-95 09:40:04
Ot Kogo : Informator
Komu : All
Tema : VPERVYE ZA 30 LET NA UKRAINE POYAVILISX STAI SARANCH
Subject: VPERVYE ZA 30 LET NA UKRAINE POYAVILISX STAI SARANCHI
VPERVYE ZA 30 LET NA UKRAINE POYAVILISX STAI SARANCHI
DNEPROPETROVSK, 13 iyulya (PF) -- Vpervye za 30 let na Ukraine
poyavilis' stai saranchi, soobshchil segodnya "PostFactum" nachal'nik
dnepropetrovskoj oblastnoj stancii zashchity rastenij Aleksandr
Drozdov.
Na polyah 5 oblastej Ukrainy - Zaporozhskoj, Doneckoj,
Hersonskoj, Nikolaevskoj i respubliki Krym - sarancha obnaruzhena
na posevah mnogoletnih trav, podsolnechnika, ovoshchnyh kul'tur,
himicheskaya obrabotka v kotoryh provedena na ploshchadi 150 tys ga.
V ochagah vreditelej naschityvaetsya do 500-600 nasekomyh na 1
kv. m.
V osnovnom rasprostranyaetsya ital'yanskaya sarancha - "prus",
kotoraya harakterna dlya stepnyh regionov Ukrainy.
|ti dannye obnarodovany na chrezvychajnom respublikanskom
seminare po voprosam bor'by s saranchoj, sostoyavshemsya v kolhoze
"Druzhba" Melitopol'skogo rajona Zaporozhskoj oblasti.
Po mneniyu Aleksandra Drozdova, odnoj iz prichin nashestviya
mozhno nazvat' otsutstvie insekticidov. -dvm-
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Soobshchenie #8021 - MO.TALK
Data : 13-07-95 23:42:00
Ot Kogo : Alik Arutynjan
Komu : Nikolay Baranov
Tema : IZ-ZA NEBLAGOPOLUCHNOJ |PIDEMIOLOGICHESKOJ OBSTANOV
Subject: IZ-ZA NEBLAGOPOLUCHNOJ |PIDEMIOLOGICHESKOJ OBSTANOVKI
Hello Nikolay.
12 Jul 95 10:19, Nikolay Baranov wrote to All:
NB> ======================================================================
NB> ======= * Forwarded by Nikolay Baranov (2:5020/28.4) * Area : RU.NEWS
NB> (RU.NEWS) * From : Informator, 2:5020/157 (10 Jul 95 09:32) * To :
NB> All * Subj : IZ-ZA NEBLAGOPOLUCHNOJ |PIDEMIOLOGICHESKOJ OBSTANOVKI
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[skip]
NB> epidemiologicheskoj obstanovki kategoricheski zapreshcheno kupat'sya v
NB> Nikolaeve, Odesse, Mariupole, Berdyanske, Kerchi, Ochakove, Sakah,
NB> YAlte, Sudake, a takzhe ryade drugih kurortnyh gorodov i poselkov
NB> chernomorskogo i azovskogo poberezh'ya Ukrainy, soobshchili
NB> "PostFactum" v sanepidemstancii Odesskoj oblasti.
NB> ======================================================================
NB> Hello All!
NB> Kto tam v Krym sobiralsya?
I chego narod pugat'? YA vtoroj den' kak iz Evpatorii, i zhivoj poka. I pro
"ugrozhayushchee sostoyanie" pochemu-to tam nichego ne izvestno. V Moskve edvali ne
kazhdyj den' slyshal o tom, chto v Evpatorii holera. Kak priehal sprosil chto i
kak. Okazalos', chto holernuyu palochku nashli v mogil'nike po zahoroneniyu skota i
othodov myasokombinata. U nas zhe eto razduli do podnebesnyh masshtabov, hotya v
samoj Moskve istochnikov holernogo vibriona _gorazdo_ bol'she - mnogie ozera,
bolotca, i prochie mesta, poseshchaemye bolee aktivno, nezheli mogil'niki.
Da i more tam normal'noe, a chto kasaetsya portovyh primorskih gorodov -
Odessa, YAlta, Kerch' zakryvayut chut' li ne kazhdyj god, Feodosiyu eshche byvaet.
NB> Nikolay
bye bye!
Alik
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Soobshchenie #8094 - MO.TALK
Data : 14-07-95 23:20:44
Ot Kogo : Nikolay Baranov
Komu : All
Tema : MINZDRAV UKRAINY OPREDELIL REGIONY, V KOTORYH
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* Forwarded by Nikolay Baranov (2:5020/28.4)
* Area : RU.NEWS (RU.NEWS)
* From : Informator, 2:5020/157 (14 Jul 95 10:17)
* To : All
* Subj : MINZDRAV UKRAINY OPREDELIL REGIONY, V KOTORYH
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MINZDRAV UKRAINY OPREDELIL REGIONY, V KOTORYH VOZMOZHNO
RASPROSTRANENIE HOLERY
Kiev. 13 iyulya. INTERFAKS-UKRAINA. Glavnoe
sanepidemupravlenie Minzdrava Ukrainy opredelilo "potencial'no
opasnye mesta i regiony", gde vozmozhno rasprostranenie holery.
Kak soobshchili agentstvu "Interfaks-Ukraina" v Minzdrave, v
chisle etih regionov - Simferopol', Har'kov, Lugansk, a takzhe
vse naselennye punkty na poberezh'e rek Dnestr, YUzhnyj Bug,
Dnepr, Severskij Donec v granicah Odesskoj, Nikolaevskoj,
Hersonskoj, Zaporozhskoj, Dnepropetrovskoj, Doneckoj i
Luganskoj oblastej.
Krome togo, k etoj kategorii otneseny vse naselennye
punkty na poberezh'e CHernogo i Azovskogo morej.
Mezhdu tem, proverki Minzdrava v Nikolaevskoj oblasti
pokazali neudovletvoritel'noe sostoyanie kontrolya za
soblyudeniem sanitarno-protivoepidemiskogo rezhima v uchrezhdeniyah
pitaniya i torgovli.
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Hello All!
|to v prodolzhenie temy pro otdyh v Krymu:(
Nikolay
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Soobshchenie #22824 - RU.NEWS
Data : 19-07-95 08:49:24
Ot Kogo : Informator
Komu : All
Tema : 142 TYS. GEKTAROV POSEVNYH PLOSHCHADEJ UKRAINY
Subject: : 142 TYS. GEKTAROV POSEVNYH PLOSHCHADEJ UKRAINY Z
142 TYS. GEKTAROV POSEVNYH PLOSHCHADEJ UKRAINY ZAHVACHENO
SARANCHOJ
KIEV, 18 iyulya (PF) -- Po dannym Minsel'hozproda Ukrainy, 142
tys. gektarov posevnyh ploshchadej respubliki zahvacheno saranchoj.
Kak soobshchil "PostFactum" nachal'nika upravleniya po zemledeliyu
Minsel'hozproda Ukrainy Leonid Zinevich, ot saranchi, imenuemoj
"prus ital'yanskij", v naibol'shej stepeni postradali polya v
Zaporozhskoj, Nikolaevskoj i Hersonskoj oblastyah.
Po slovam Zinevicha, pri ministerstve sozdana chrezvychajnaya
komissiya po bor'be s saranchoj i utochneniyu nanesennogo ushcherba.
Odnako, kak polagaet glavnyj agronom Zaporozhskogo upravleniya
sel'skogo hozyajstva Lyudmila Miroshnichenko, esli bor'ba s saranchoj
budet vestis' s toj zhe intensivnost'yu, chto i sejchas, to situaciya
mozhet stat' neupravlyaemoj. -nmch-
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Soobshchenie #22818 - RU.NEWS
Data : 19-07-95 08:45:28
Ot Kogo : Informator
Komu : All
Tema : NA UKRAINE OZHIDAETSYA BOLXSHOJ UROZHAJ
KIEV, 18 iyulya (PF) -- "V otlichie ot proshlyh treh let,
Ukraina vyrastila "bol'shoj hleb", - zayavil segodnya "PostFactum"
nachal'nik upravleniya po zemledeliyu Minsel'hozproda Ukrainy Leonid
Zinevich.
Po ego slovam, v etom godu budet namolocheno na 3 mln tonn
zerna bol'she, chem v proshlom. -nmch-
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Soobshchenie #23673 - RU.NEWS
Data : 22-07-95 10:06:40
Ot Kogo : Informator
Komu : All
Tema : BYVSHIJ PREZIDENT KRYMA YURIJ MESHKOV SCHITAET SEBYA
Subject: BYVSHIJ PREZIDENT KRYMA YURIJ MESHKOV SCHITAET SEBYA
BYVSHIJ PREZIDENT KRYMA YURIJ MESHKOV SCHITAET SEBYA ''PREZIDENTOM
DE-YURE I DE-FAKTO"
MOSKVA, 21 iyulya (PF) -- YUrij Meshkov, byvshij prezident Kryma
schitaet sebya "prezidentom de-yure i de-fakto".
Ob etom on zayavil segodnya v Gosdume RF na organizovannoj
sovmestno s predsedatelem komiteta Dumy po delam SNG Konstantinom
Zatulinym press-konferencii.
YUrij Meshkov schitaet, chto bessmyslennaya politicheskaya bor'ba v
Krymu, navyazannaya odnoj iz vetvej vlasti, pozvolila ukrainskomu
rukovodstvu "razrushit' krymskuyu gosudarstvennost'".
Po mneniyu Meshkova, v rezul'tate dejstvij ukrainskih vlastej
v Krymu voznikla obstanovka bezvlastiya, "iz butylki vypushchen dzhinn
ugrozy mezhetnicheskih stolknovenij".
Konstantin Zatulin, takzhe vystupivshij na press-konferencii,
podverg kritike poziciyu rossijskogo rukovodstva, kotoroe
"otkladyvaet na neopredelennoe vremya reshenie vseh spornyh problem
i idet na neobosnovannye ustupki Ukraine". -nmch-
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Soobshchenie #23528 - RU.NEWS
Data : 22-07-95 09:55:54
Ot Kogo : Informator
Komu : All
Tema : V NIKOLAEVSKOJ OBLASTI UKRAINY SKONCHALSYA ESHCHE
Subject: V NIKOLAEVSKOJ OBLASTI UKRAINY SKONCHALSYA ESHCHE
V NIKOLAEVSKOJ OBLASTI UKRAINY SKONCHALSYA ESHCHE ODIN BOLXNOJ
HOLEROJ
Kiev. 21 iyulya. INTERFAKS-UKRAINA. Eshche odin bol'noj
holeroj skonchalsya v Nikolaevskoj oblasti, soobshchili agentstvu
"Interfaks-Ukraina" v respublikanskom Centre zdorov'ya. On umer
20 iyulya v mashine "Skoroj pomoshchi" po puti v bol'nicu. Po mneniyu
medikov, bol'noj slishkom pozdno obratilsya za pomoshch'yu k vracham.
Vsego v Ukraine s momenta registracii pervyh sluchaev
zabolevaniya holeroj umerli 4 cheloveka, v tom chisle troe - vne
lechebnyh uchrezhdenij.
Za 20 iyulya obshchee kolichestvo bol'nyh uvelichilos' na 3
cheloveka i dostiglo 273. Gospitalizirovany 119 bol'nyh, a
takzhe 90 vibriononositelej. CHislo bol'nyh, vypisavshihsya iz
bol'nicy, dostiglo 151.
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Soobshchenie #23505 - RU.NEWS
Data : 22-07-95 09:54:10
Ot Kogo : Informator
Komu : All
Tema : PRAVITELXSTVO UKRAINY PRIMET SPECIALXNOE POSTA
Subject: PRAVITELXSTVO UKRAINY PRIMET SPECIALXNOE POSTANO
PRAVITELXSTVO UKRAINY PRIMET SPECIALXNOE POSTANOVLENIE PO
PROBLEMAM KRYMSKIH TATAR
Kiev. 21 iyulya. INTERFAKS-UKRAINA - Prezidium kabineta
ministrov Ukrainy na zasedanii v chetverg poruchil vice-prem'eru
Vasiliyu Durdincu vyehat' v Krym dlya podgotovki proekta
postanovleniya v svyazi s massovymi narusheniyami obshchestvennogo
poryadka na poluostrove v konce iyunya.
23-25 iyunya na poluostrove proshli volneniya krymskih tatar,
razgromivshih neskol'ko desyatkov torgovyh tochek,
prinadlezhavshih, po ih mneniyu, mafioznym gruppirovkam. V
stolknoveniyah s miliciej neskol'ko tatar byli ubity.
Kak soobshchili agentstvu "Interfaks-Ukraina" v press-sluzhbe
pravitel'stva, v proekte resheniya kabineta ministrov
predpolagaetsya predusmotret' sozdanie nadlezhashchih uslovij dlya
vozvrashcheniya na istoricheskuyu rodinu deportirovannyh krymskih
tatar i lic drugih nacional'nostej.
Na zasedanii prezidiuma otmechalos', chto na finansirovanie
meropriyatij po vozvrashcheniyu i obustrojstvu deportirovannyh
grazhdan iz gosbyudzheta vydeleno bolee 1075 mlrd. krb (iz
predusmotrennyh na god 1150 mlrd.). 136 mlrd. krb. vydeleny na
zhilishchnoe stroitel'stvo, 380 mlrd. - na razvitie kommunal'nogo
hozyajstva avtonomii.
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Sobshchenie NTV ot 24.07.95:
" Po zayavleniyu dlya pressy v g. Simferopole,
vse 470 plyazhej v Krymu (YUBK) otkryty. Zakryt tol'ko odin
v rajone Alupki.... "
Soobshchenie radio 2X2 so ssylkoj na ITAR-TASS ot 25.07.95:
" .... Kak soobshchil glavnyj vrach Kryma Dorofeev,
na vseh plyazhah Kryma vozmozhno besprepyatstvennoe kupanie.
Kazhduyu nedelyu beretsya 1000 prob vody, na holeru i t.d.,
v raznyh mestah na poberezh'e Kryma. Poka nichego ne obnaruzheno.
Vse sanepidimologicheskie sluzhby rabotayut bez vyhodnyh...."
Soobshchenie #23727 - RU.NEWS
Data : 24-07-95 09:40:12
Ot Kogo : Informator
Komu : All
Tema : 2 SLUCHAYA ZABOLEVANIYA HOLEROJ ZAREGISTRIROVANY
Subject: 2 SLUCHAYA ZABOLEVANIYA HOLEROJ ZAREGISTRIROVANY
2 SLUCHAYA ZABOLEVANIYA HOLEROJ ZAREGISTRIROVANY V MOLDAVII
Kishinev. 23 iyulya. INTERFAKS - Pervye dva sluchaya
zabolevaniya holeroj zaregistrirovany v Tiraspole
(Pridnestrovskaya Moldavskaya respublika), soobshchili "Interfaksu"
v sanitarno-epidemiologicheskom upravlenii Minzdrava Moldavii.
Po mneniyu moldavskih medikov, prichinoj "vzryvoopasnoj
epidemiologicheskoj situacii" v respublike stal vvoz produktov
pitaniya torgovcami s yuga Ukrainy, gde otmecheno uzhe neskol'ko
desyatkov sluchaev zabolevaniya holeroj.
Po svedeniyam Minzdrava Moldavii, do 90% produktov,
prodavaemyh na rykah Kishineva, zarazheny razlichnymi
boleznetvornymi bakteriyami. V etoj svyazi vlasti respubliki uzhe
prinyali reshenie o zaprete vvoza ryby, v kotoroj obnaruzhen
vibrion holery, a takzhe prodazhi produktov pitaniya, ne
proshedshih sanitarnyj kontrol'.
Krome togo, soobshchaet korrespondent "Interfaksa",
rukovodstvo Moldavii priostanovilo do 1 oktyabrya vyezdnuyu
torgovlyu molokom iz avtocistern.
Za vypolneniem prinyatyh reshenij sledyat usilennye
policejskie patruli v mestah ulichnoj torgovli.
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Soobshchenie #23957 - RU.NEWS
Data : 26-07-95 18:16:54
Ot Kogo : Informator
Komu : All
Tema : VNOVX OGRANICHENO VODOSNABZHENIE HARXKOVA
VNOVX OGRANICHENO VODOSNABZHENIE HARXKOVA
Har'kov. 26 iyulya. INTERFAKS-UKRAINA - Vo vtorom po
velichine gorode Ukrainy Har'kove so sredy vnov' ogranichena
podacha vody naseleniyu. Voda podavalas' v zhilye zdaniya goroda
lish' s 5 do 7 utra.
|to vyzvano tem, chto na Dikanevskoj nasosnoj stancii
obrazovalas' tech' v mashinnom zale, soobshchili agentstvu
"Interfaks-Ukraina" v shtabe po likvidacii avarii.
Ranee, vo vtornik ministerstvo ohrany okruzhayushchej sredy i
yadernoj bezopasnosti Ukrainy soobshchilo o vozobnovlenii
vodosnabzheniya naseleniya goroda v obychnom rezhime.
Pereboi so snabzheniem vodoj v gorode voznikli posle togo,
kak v konce iyunya v rezul'tate livnevyh dozhdej vyshla iz stroya
sistema ochistnyh sooruzhenij Har'kova.
Nechistoty popali v krupnejshuyu reku vostochnoj Ukrainy
Severskij Donec.
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Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 20:49:28 +0400
Subject: temp\57251600.007: yafshchN rhthNyay syyaNchs'sya, 17 chyaspshchts'shchzshchryavsNy v rh
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yafshchN rhthNyay syyaNchs'sya, 17 chyaspshchts'shchzshchryavsNy v rhzu''tsth
vspyshyshch epshchfheshchshch fshchzhNthrshchshch v yafNyae shchz fhtsyshchsh ssfyav
fNhpryaphtryavsyya® yat'sstshch
fyaNhuy, 25 IYULYA (PF) -- yaDIN REBENOK SKONCHALSYA, 17
GOSPITALIZIROVANY V REZULXTATE VSPYSHKI |PIDEMII DIZENTERII V
ODNOM IZ DETSKIH SADOV G. pAVLOGRADA fNEPROPETROVSKOJ OBLASTI.
yAK SOOBSHCHILI "PostFactum" V OBLASTNOM CENTRE ZDOROVXYA, PISHCHA
DLYA DETEJ BYLA PRIGOTOVLENA IZ NEDOBROKACHESTVENNYH PRODUKTOV, V
TOM CHISLE RYBY, POJMANNOJ V ODNOM IZ VODOEMOV GORODA, V KOTORYE,
PO SVEDENIYAM CENTRA, SBRASYVAYUTSYA NEOCHISHCHENNYE KANALIZACIONNYE
STOKI. -EAA-
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From: Informator
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:16:30 +0400
Subject: temp\57252100.166: vspyshys sshchtshchrsyya® yazvy zsrhchshchstrshchryavsNs v fNhprya
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vspyshys sshchtshchrsyya® yazvy zsrhchshchstrshchryavsNs v fNhpryaphtryavsyya®
yat'sstshch uyrsshchNy
fNEPROPETROVSK. 25 IYULYA. shchNthrcsys-uyrsshchNs - 2 CHELOVEKA
ZABOLELI SIBIRSKOJ YAZVOJ V yRINICHANSKOM RAJONE
fNEPROPETROVSKOJ OBLASTI. hSHCHE 300 IH ODNOSELXCHAN NAHODYATSYA POD
NABLYUDENIEM VRACHEJ. yAK SOOBSHCHIL KORRESPONDENTU "shchNTERFAKSA-
uKRAINA" VO VTORNIK ZAMESTITELX GLAVNOGO SANITARNOGO VRACHA
fNEPROPETROVSKOJ OBLASTNOJ SAN|PIDSTANCII vIKTOR shchSAEV,
ISTOCHNIKOM ZABOLEVANIYA STALA ZARAZHENNAYA GOVYADINA.
v IYUNE NA KOLHOZNOJ FERME NACHALSYA PADEZH SKOTA. sIBIRSKOJ
YAZVOJ ZABOLELI SKOTNIK I KLADOVSHCHICA, ZANIMAVSHIESYA RAZDELKOJ
TUSH.
v.shchSAEV NAZVAL VEROYATNOJ PRICHINOJ ZABOLEVANIYA KOROV
SIBIRSKOJ YAZVOJ NARUSHENIE TEHNOLOGII PRIVIVOK ZHIVOTNYH.
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* Obshchie svedeniya po Krymu *
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Vnimanie !!!
(mne kazhetsya ochen' vazhnoe soobshchenie,
vsya holera erunda po sravneniyu, s tem esli v Krymu nachnetsya
mezhnacional'naya vojna)
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From: Informator
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:20:54 +0400
Subject: temp\57252016.013: v yryeu chyatyavshchtsya pyayushhNshchh Ns 'shchfhryav yryesyshchsh
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v yryeu chyatyavshchtsya pyayushhNshchh Ns 'shchfhryav yryesyshchsh tstsr --
zse. prhfshfsth'ya ehfzh'shchss yryesyya-tstsrsyyachya Nsryafs
sshchechryapya'', 25 IYULYA (PF) -- v KRIMINALXNYH STRUKTURAH yRYMA
GOTOVITSYA POKUSHENIE NA LIDEROV KRYMSKIH TATAR, ZAYAVIL SEGODNYA NA
PRESS-KONFERENCII ZAM. PREDSEDATELYA eEDZHLISA KRYMSKO-TATARSKOGO
NARODA rEFAT chUBAROV.
pO EGO SLOVAM, INFORMACIYA O PODGOTOVKE POKUSHENIYA POLUCHENA IZ
4-H NEZAVISIMYH ISTOCHNIKOV, ODIN IZ KOTORYH NAHODITSYA NA
TERRITORII uKRAINY.
'IDER KRYMSKIH TATAR OTKAZALSYA NAZVATX ZHURNALISTAM
KONKRETNYE FAMILII I STRUKTURY, PRICHASTNYE K PODGOTOVKE
POKUSHENIYA, SOOBSHCHIV, CHTO TEKST ZAYAVLENIYA S IZLOZHENIEM VSEH FAKTOV
I VERSIJ ON VRUCHIL VCHERA PREMXER-MINISTRU uKRAINY hVGENIYU
eARCHUKU.
chUBAROV SCHITAET, CHTO V SLUCHAE REALIZACII POKUSHENIYA NA
LIDEROV KRYMSKIH TATAR NA POLUOSTROVE VOZMOZHNY "STOLKNOVENIYA
MEZHDU KRIMINALXNYMI STRUKTURAMI I MEZHNACIONALXNYJ KONFLIKT V |TOM
SLUCHAE PREDOTVRATITX NE UDASTSYA".
pO MNENIYU chUBAROVA, PODGOTOVKA POKUSHENIYA NA LIDEROV KRYMSKIH
TATAR V yRYMU KOSVENNO SVYAZANA S PREZIDENTSKIMI I PARLAMENTSKIMI
VYBORAMI V rOSSII. -GIV-
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To: lem@exban.msk.su
From: Denis Zuyev
Subject: Privet
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 22:00:09 +0300
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ls> zhit'ya: YA ne proch' i v palatke (vse-taki byvshij turist), no zhena ne
ls> hochet.
Ee mozhno ponyat', v palatke horosho 2-3 dnya na yuge pozhit', bol'she tyazhelo. Eshche
horoshee delo prosto projtis' (proehat' na avtobuse) s palatkoj i ostanovkami na
paru dnej, no eto tozhe na lyubitelya.
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To: lem@exban.msk.su
From: Denis Zuyev
Subject: Malen'koe dopolnenie k prevedushchemu pis'mu:
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 23:00:18 +0300
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From : Nikolay Baranov 2:5020/28.4 12 Jul 95 10:19:44
To : All 13 Jul 95 21:10:28
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* Forwarded by Nikolay Baranov (2:5020/28.4)
* Area : RU.NEWS (RU.NEWS)
* From : Informator, 2:5020/157 (10 Jul 95 09:32)
* To : All
* Subj : IZ-ZA NEBLAGOPOLUCHNOJ |PIDEMIOLOGICHESKOJ OBSTANOVKI
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IZ-ZA NEBLAGOPOLUCHNOJ |PIDEMIOLOGICHESKOJ OBSTANOVKI ZAKRYTA
ZNACHITELXNAYA CHASTX CHASTX CHERNOMORSKIH I AZOVSKIH PLYAZHEJ
ODESSA, 9 iyulya (PF) -- Iz-za neblagopoluchnoj
epidemiologicheskoj obstanovki kategoricheski zapreshcheno kupat'sya v
Nikolaeve, Odesse, Mariupole, Berdyanske, Kerchi, Ochakove, Sakah,
YAlte, Sudake, a takzhe ryade drugih kurortnyh gorodov i poselkov
chernomorskogo i azovskogo poberezh'ya Ukrainy, soobshchili
"PostFactum" v sanepidemstancii Odesskoj oblasti.
|pidemiologi byli vynuzhdeny pojti na eti mery v razgar
kurortnogo sezona posle togo kak vyyasnilos', chto znachitel'naya
chast' prob morskoj i rechnoj vody ne sootvetstvuet trebovaniyam
standartov. -ovm-
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V principe eto ni o chem ne govorit, ochistnye sooruzheniya v nashih chernomorskih
gorodah (poselkah) otsutstvuyut kak klass, tak chto epidemiologicheskaya obstanovka
sootvetstvuyushchaya vezde i vsegda, pro avarii nichego zdes' net. Da i eto mozhet
byt' prosto dezoj, sanepidemstanciya Odesskoj oblasti nikakogo otnosheniya k Krymu
ne imeyut, u nih v Odesse i Nikolaeve sluchai holery byli, im nado etim
zanimat'sya, a ne paniku razvodit'. V YAlte (eto vse taki ne ochen' malen'kij
gorod) vsegda voda namnogo gryaznej chem v Forose (v teh krayah v rajone buhty
Laspi / mysa Ajya samoe chistoe more na YUBK) ili dazhe Simeize s Koktebel'yu.
Strasti lyubyat lyudi nagnetat', no ya schel neobhodimym tebe eto pis'mo pereslat'.
YA pri sluchae zadam svoim znakomym vopros slyshali li oni chego pro zakrytie
plyazhej v Krymu, posmotrim chto oni otvetyat.
Denis Zuev
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To: lem@exban.msk.su
From: Denis Zuyev
Subject: Re: Svedeniya po cenam v Krymu i pros'ba ...
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 18:00:08 +0300
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> U nas hodyat sluhi (so ssylkoj na PostFactum) chto v Krymu (YAlte, Sudake)
> zakryli plyazhi iz-za plohoj epidemiologicheskoj obstanovki, slyshal li ty pro
> eto chego nibud'?
Polnaya erunda.
> Menya prosili uznat' skol'ko stoit:
> avtobus (trollejbus) Sifmeropol' - YAlta;
avtobus 200-300tys.krb.
> avtobus YAlta - Simeiz; (eto chisto mne dlya informacii)
300-500tys.krb.
DZ> YA tak ponimayu chto za eti den'gi mozhno na mashine proehat', moj znakomyj
DZ> opisalsya.
> mashina Simferopol' - YAlta;
$50
> mesto v chastnom sektore, po sostoyaniyu na sejchas.
$15-$20 sutki
DZ> Bez paniki, eto opiska u nego vidimo.
> I eshche vopros, kakov sejchas status Sevastopolya?
Takoj zhe kak i v proshlom godu.
S uvazheniem,
Sergej.
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To: lem@exban.msk.su
From: Denis Zuyev
Subject: Re: Svedeniya po cenam v Krymu i pros'ba ...
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:00:08 +0300
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Moj znakomyj tozhe prislal utochnenie, vot ono:
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Privet Denis!
Izvini, ya vchera poslal tebe nepravil'nuyu cenu na zhil'e v chastnom sektore.
Ona kolebletsya $2-$7 za sutki.
S uvazheniem,
Sergej.
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Soobshchenie #8156 - MO.TALK
Data : 18-07-95 00:56:00
Ot Kogo : Toma
Komu : Denis Zuyev
Tema : Svedeniya po cenam v Krymu i pros'ba ...
Hello Denis!
17 Jul 95 14:23, Denis Zuyev wrote to All:
DZ> Bilety bral do Simferopolya i obratno v Moskve poryadka 80000 rub. v
DZ> odin konec (plackart) Za postel' okolo 20000 kuponov ili 7000 rub. ( v
DZ> kuponah vygodnee ) Priehal v Simferopol' ceny: V centre goroda ochen'
DZ> vygodnyj kurs obmena dollara na rubli 4800 rub./$
CHto-to ne shoditsya. V YAlte i Alushte 08.07 byl kurs 150 t.k./1$. A esli
uchest', chto kurs rublya byl 30k./1p., to kurs dollara 5000 p./1$.
DZ> Doehat' do YAlty:
DZ> Na mashine ot 120000 rub. do 150000 rub. .
Do Privetnogo 200000 p.
DZ> vse ponravilos'. :) Ceny: Persiki 300000 kup. 1 kg. melkie.
To zhe, no krupnye i vkusnye. A eshche my proshlis' po rynku v Simferopole - tam
ceny v 2-3 raza nizhe, chem na poberezh'e.
DZ> Kursy obmena valyut v bankah Ukrainy na 14.07.95
Samyj vygodnyj kurs obmena v Simferopole 31.5k./1p.
DZ> I eshche mne srochno nuzhna podobnaya informaciya po rajonu Sudaka i Novogo
DZ> sveta.
DZ> Osobenno interesuyut kolichestvo narodu v rajone Sudaka, chistota morya
V Sudake bylo naibol'shee chislo naroda na plyazhe iz uvidennyh. More chistoe.
CU L8r,
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Soobshchenie #8127 - MO.TALK
Data : 17-07-95 13:45:16
Ot Kogo : Konst Erman
Komu : Pavel Senatorov
Tema : Krym
Hello Pavel!
Sunday July 16 1995, Pavel Senatorov writes to Konst Erman:
PS> luchshe rasskazhi, kak tam v Krymu ?
Za ves' Krym ruchat'sya ne budu, a v Evpatorii vsya otlichno. Nikakoj holery,
chistoe more, malo naroda, horoshaya pogoda. Rekomenduyu. Esli kogo volnuyut
detali, to otvechu na voprosy netmajlom.
Best regards, Konst
...Democracy: 3 wolves and a sheep voting on dinner
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Soobshchenie #8168 - MO.TALK
Data : 18-07-95 09:16:20
Ot Kogo : Denis Zuyev
Komu : Toma
Tema : Svedeniya po cenam v Krymu i pros'ba ...
Hello Toma!
Tuesday July 18 1995, pis'mo Toma k Denis Zuyev:
DZ>> Bilety bral do Simferopolya i obratno v Moskve poryadka 80000 rub. v
DZ>> odin konec (plackart) Za postel' okolo 20000 kuponov ili 7000 rub.
DZ>> ( v kuponah vygodnee ) Priehal v Simferopol' ceny: V centre goroda
DZ>> ochen' vygodnyj kurs obmena dollara na rubli 4800 rub./$
T> CHto-to ne shoditsya. V YAlte i Alushte 08.07 byl kurs 150 t.k./1$. A esli
T> uchest', chto kurs rublya byl 30k./1p., to kurs dollara 5000 p./1$.
|to ne ya pisal, ya tol'ko otforvordil pis'mo, informaciej pro kurs $/rub v
Simferopole ya na vladeyu.
DZ>> Doehat' do YAlty:
DZ>> Na mashine ot 120000 rub. do 150000 rub. .
T> Do Privetnogo 200000 p.
Tut uzh kak povezet (kak smozhesh' dogovorit'sya), rech' idet o poryadke cen.
DZ>> vse ponravilos'. :) Ceny: Persiki 300000 kup. 1 kg. melkie.
T> To zhe, no krupnye i vkusnye.
Melkie tozhe byvayut vkusnymi ;)... Ceny po poberezh'yu otlichayutsya.
T> A eshche my proshlis' po rynku v Simferopole
T> - tam ceny v 2-3 raza nizhe, chem na poberezh'e.
|to normal'no, rynok v YAlte tozhe sushchestvenno deshevle chem v poselkah (tipa
Mishora ili Simeiza).
S uvazheniem,
D.Zuev
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Soobshchenie #8263 - MO.TALK
Data : 18-07-95 22:43:00
Ot Kogo : Toma
Komu : Denis Zuyev
Tema : Svedeniya po cenam v Krymu i pros'ba ...
Hello Denis!
18 Jul 95 10:16, Denis Zuyev wrote to Toma:
DZ>>> Doehat' do YAlty:
DZ>>> Na mashine ot 120000 rub. do 150000 rub. .
T>> Do Privetnogo 200000 p.
DZ> Tut uzh kak povezet (kak smozhesh' dogovorit'sya), rech' idet o poryadke
DZ> cen.
A nikto tuda ehat' ne hochet. Vse do Alushty i YAlty berut. Do Alushty 40 km po
normal'noj doroge, a potom do YAlty primerno stol'ko zhe tozhe po horoshej doroge.
A v storonu Sudaka doroga po krutomu i uzkomu serpantinu.
DZ>>> vse ponravilos'. :) Ceny: Persiki 300000 kup. 1 kg. melkie.
T>> To zhe, no krupnye i vkusnye.
DZ> Melkie tozhe byvayut vkusnymi ;)... Ceny po poberezh'yu otlichayutsya.
My ih tam vsyakih naprobovalis'. Melkie - ih tol'ko kak yabloko gryzt' nado
bylo, a vot krasnye, bol'shie my tol'ko na ulice eli, t.k. s nih azh teklo.
A vot ceny po poberezh'yu primerno odinakovye. Sravnivali rynki v Sudake, YAlte
i u nas za vorotami.
T>> A eshche my proshlis' po rynku v Simferopole
T>> - tam ceny v 2-3 raza nizhe, chem na poberezh'e.
DZ> |to normal'no, rynok v YAlte tozhe sushchestvenno deshevle chem v poselkah
DZ> (tipa Mishora ili Simeiza).
Nu ne sushchestvenno, a na 50-100 t.k. (v zavisimosti ot frukta)
CU L8r,
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Soobshchenie #230 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 19-07-95 11:47:14
Ot Kogo : Grigory Shmarenkov
Komu : All
Tema : Svedeniya po cenam v Krymu i pros'ba ...
Privetstvuyu Vas, All!
17 Jul 95 13:23, Denis Zuyev wrote to All:
DZ> On byl s 29 iyunya po 9 iyulya v Krymu.
DZ> Ceny poezd:
DZ> Bilety bral do Simferopolya i obratno v Moskve poryadka 80000 rub. v odin
DZ> konec (plackart)
Esli brat' iz Kryma, obojdetsya raza v poltora deshevle ( ~50000 )
DZ> Za postel' okolo 20000 kuponov ili 7000 rub. ( v kuponah vygodnee )
Ottuda - 15000 kuponov ili 5000 rub.
DZ> Persiki 300000 kup. 1 kg. melkie.
DZ> ZHil'e 4 $ v sutki s cheloveka v chastnom sektore (mozhno najti deshevle)
V Evpatorii 200-400 Kkrb. s cheloaeka v sutki.
DZ> ZHratva 5 $ v sutki s cheloveka (bez roskoshi)
Poobedat' vchetverom 400-500 Kkrb. Porciya shashlyka 120-150 Kkrb. Butylka
marochnogo massandrovskogo vina 300-1500 Kkrb.
DZ> Ot YAlty do Alupki hodit kater.
DZ> Razvlecheniya (svedenij po cenam net. :( )
Progulka na katere ili yahte ~200 Kkrb/chas. Drugoe - togo zhe poryadka.
>>
>> ls> I eshche tolkom pro Sevastopol' ostalsya li on "zakrytym", ili
>> ls> mozhno ezdit' bez vsyakih vykrutasov....
>>
S'ezdit' v Sevastopol' - net problem pri nalichii pasporta.
S uvazheniem, Grigory Shmarenkov
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To: lem@exban.msk.su
From: Toma
Subject: Voprosy po Sudaku i ne tol'ko ?? (pis'mo)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 06:39:33 +0300
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Hello lem@exban.msk.su!
18 Jul 15 12:02, lem@exban.msk.su wrote to Toma:
>> Do Privetnogo 200000 p.
l> YA ne ochen' horosho znayu Krym, eto gde ?
Ot Alushty 40 km v storonu Sudaka. No my voobshche-to ne do Privetnogo ehali,
a do Rybachego + eshche km 10.
>> DZ> Kursy obmena valyut v bankah Ukrainy na 14.07.95
>>
>> Samyj vygodnyj kurs obmena v Simferopole 31.5k./1p.
l> Vot ne znayu kak obrashchat'sya. :) Toma vrode zhenskoe imya.
l> Ladno poka budu na VY.
l> Vy v Moskve obmenivali na kupony pri ot®ezde? Gde ?
_My_ s muzhem (eto kotoryj Garry Tomkin, iz-za chego u tebya i poyavilis'
somneniya :-) v Moskve den'gi ne menyali. V poezde predlogali eshche
v Moskve po kursu 24k./1p. Potom po doroge uzhe na Ukraine predlagali
po kursu 30 i govorili, chto v Krymu na poberezh'e kurs nizhe. Brehali.
Tam byl 30-31.
>> V Sudake bylo naibol'shee chislo naroda na plyazhe iz uvidennyh. More
>> chistoe.
l> A mozhno podrobnee o Sudake ?
A my tam byli na ekskursii, 2 chasa. Tak chto nichego konkretnogo
ne mogu skazat'. V kreposti byli i po magazinam po u. Lenina proshlis'.
l> A kakie Vy mesta uvidili krome Sudaka ?
Muzh ezdil bez nas na ekskursiyu v YAltu. No tozhe ih tam posle ekskursij
vykinuli na 2 chasa v gorode.
l> I gde bol'she vsego ponravilos' ?
Kak mozhet eshche gde-to ponravit'sya, esli my sideli bezvylazno v pansionate bez
televizora, gazet, radio (pravda poslednie 10 dnej ono zarabotalo, no tol'ko
Kievskoe na ukrainstkom yazyke i Simferopol'skoe na russkom, no pochti sploshnaya
muzyka) avtobusy Alushta-Sudak (mimo nas) hodyat ochen' redko, da eshche esli ne
znat' raspisaniya... mozhno uehat' i ne priehat'.
l> I eshche kak bylo u Vas s obratnymi biletami ?
V Moskve dostavali.
l> V Simferopole na nih stavyat familiyu, a to tut nachali s 1 iyulya .
Ne interesovalis'.
Soobshchenie #24028 - RU.NEWS
Data : 26-07-95 18:50:08
Ot Kogo : Informator
Komu : All
Tema : V SEVASTOPOLE SHESTOJ DENX PRODOLZHAETSYA
Subject: V SEVASTOPOLE SHESTOJ DENX PRODOLZHAETSYA PO
V SEVASTOPOLE SHESTOJ DENX PRODOLZHAETSYA POZHAR NA
RYBOKONSERVNOM TRAULERE "ANATOLIJ HALIN"
SEVASTOPOLX, 26 iyulya (PF) -- SHestoj den' pozharniki
Sevastopolya vedut bor'bu s ognem na rybokonservnom traulere
"Anatolij Halin".
Kak soobshchili segodnya "PostFactum" v pozharnoj ohrane goroda,
ozhidaetsya, chto k koncu etogo dnya pozhar budet potushen.
V techenie vseh shesti dnej est' opasnost' vzryva emkostej s
toplivom i goryuchimi veshchestvami, raspolozhennymi v nosovoj chasti
sudna. Vzryv zhe, po mneniyu ekspertov, mozhet privesti k vybrosu
ammiaka, ispol'zuemogo v holodil'nyh ustanovkah, chto vyzovet
otravlenie akvatorii porta i atmosfery v etom rajone goroda.
Po predvaritel'nym dannym, vozgoranie proizoshlo iz-za
narusheniya tehniki pozharnoj bezopasnosti pri svarochnyh rabotah v
pomeshchenii rybnogo ceha traulera.
*** Rybokonservnyj trauler "Anatolij Halin" postroen v 1967
g. v g. Nante (Franciya); dlina sudna 127,7 m, shirina - 19 m,
vysota nadvodnogo borta 10,7 m, polnoe vodoizmeshchenie - 10047
tonn, 9 palub.
Sudno prinadlezhit Sevastopol'skomu gosudarstvennomu
predpriyatiyu "Atlantika", port pripiski - Sevastopol'. -dvm-
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From: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua (Andrew V. Stesin)
Subject: [News] Re: Otdyh -> Krym ...
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:02:32 GMT
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Hello Eduard Storozhev (sen@jade.aladon.donetsk.ua); quoting you from ukr.netnews <3v14lp$57n@anega.aladon.donetsk.ua> :
: Privetstvuyu vseh prochitavshih pis'mo.
: Vot leto perevalilo za polovinu. Nadoby otdohnut' odnako!
: Obrashchayus' k vseobshchemu bratstvu, a ne podskazhete skol'ko
: stoit komnata dlya dvuh chelovek na yuzhnom beregu Kryma?
: Mozhet byt' kto-to risknul i pobyval uzhe tam? Vyslushayu s
: blagodarnost'yu vse otkliki!
YA dumayu, chto (s nosa v den') v srednem prorisuetsya primerno takaya kartina:
$4 -- v chastnom sektore bez pitaniya
$7 -- v kakom-nibud' otdyhatel'nom uchrezhdenii bez pitaniya
$12-$15 i vyshe -- to zhe s pitaniem
Razvlecheniya, restorany, frukty (kstati, besheno dorogie) -- otdel'no.
Esli interesno, mogu dat' koordinaty dyad'ki v Gurzufe, kotoryj
tam rulit turfirmoj i u kotorogo my s zhenoj tam byli. Dovol'ny
vpolne :-)
: Spasibo za vnimanie.
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From: Leonid Evteev
Newsgroups: relcom.rec.tourism,relcom.talk
Subject: [News] Otdyh v Krymu, novosti i ceny . (pis'mo ) reklamy net ;)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 11:26:11 +0400
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Privet !
Tut u menya drug priehal iz Mishora
nu tak vot, svedeniya ot nego i dobavleniya ot menya :
On byl s 29 iyunya po 9 iyulya v Krymu.
Ceny poezd:
Bilety bral do Simferopolya i obratno v Moskve poryadka 80000 rub. v odin
konec (plackart)
Za postel' okolo 20000 kuponov ili 7000 rub. ( v kuponah vygodnee )
Priehal v Simferopol' ceny:
V centre goroda ochen' vygodnyj kurs obmena dollara na rubli 4800 rub./$
Dlya sravneniya v Moskve:
******************************************************
(LEM).
14.07.95
ZDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDBDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDB¿
³ ³ USD ³³
³ CDDDDDDDDDDBDDDDDDDDDDE´
³ ³ Pok. ³ Prod. ³³
CDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDEDDDDDDDDDDEDDDDDDDDDDE´
³Maksimal'nyj kurs ³4570.0 ³- ³³
³Srednij kurs ³4527.0 ³4629.7 ³³
³Minimal'nyj kurs ³- ³4580.0 ³³
³Kurs MMVB ³4550 ³ ³³
YUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDADDDDDDDDDDADDDDDDDDDDAY
********************************************************
Doehat' do YAlty:
Na mashine ot 120000 rub. do 150000 rub. .
Na avtobuse "|karus" so vsemi udobstvami - 400000 kup.
Ot YAlty do Mishora oni zaplatili 600000 kup. na troih (ehali na
mashine). Takzhe hodit avtobus N 27 , 29.
Ot YAlty do Forosa hodit avtobus 4 raza v sutki.
Byl on v Forose na "srednem urovne lesa vse pozhrano i more
babochek. (Iz gusenic naverno vyvelis') . Palatok s turistami i otdyhayushchimi
ne zametil . ( pochemu trudno skazat' )
Okolo Mishora more chistoe o holere i zagryaznenie morya on ne
slyhival. Spokojno kupalsya, vse ponravilos'. :)
Ceny:
Persiki 300000 kup. 1 kg. melkie.
ZHil'e 4 $ v sutki s cheloveka v chastnom sektore (mozhno najti deshevle)
ZHratva 5 $ v sutki s cheloveka (bez roskoshi)
Ot YAlty do Alupki hodit kater.
Razvlecheniya (svedenij po cenam net. :( )
Serfing, vodnye lyzhi, del'taplan, i naduvnoe brevno s ruchkami
buksiruemoe za katerom. (sadyatsya neskol'ko chelovek i katayutsya)
Dlya perevoda cen kursy:
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(LEM)
Kursy obmena valyut v bankah Ukrainy na 14.07.95
ZDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDBDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDBBDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD¿
³ ³ UKK/USD ³³ UKK/RUR ³
³ Banki CDDDDDDDDDDBDDDDDDDDDDEEDDDDDDDDDDBDDDDDDDDDD´
³ ³ pokupka ³ prodazha ³³ pokupka ³ prodazha ³
CDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDEDDDDDDDDDDEDDDDDDDDDDEEDDDDDDDDDDEDDDDDDDDDD´
³Aval' ³150000 ³153500 ³³29.00 ³31.50 ³
³Bonus-bank ³150000 ³154000 ³³30.00 ³32.00 ³
³VA Bank ³150000 ³154000 ³³29.50 ³32.40 ³
³Legbank ³150000 ³154000 ³³30.00 ³33.00 ³
YUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDADDDDDDDDDDADDDDDDDDDDAADDDDDDDDDDADDDDDDDDDDY
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>
> ls> I eshche tolkom pro Sevastopol' ostalsya li on "zakrytym", ili
> ls> mozhno ezdit' bez vsyakih vykrutasov....
>
> V tom godu Sevastopol' byl zakryt, v etom godu ego ne otkryvali,
> vrode by dazhe uzhestochili kontrol'.
>
Leonid.
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Soobshchenie #225 - SU.TRAVEL
Data : 13-07-95 15:03:00
Ot Kogo : Vlad Pivasikov
Komu : Dmitry Porezov
Tema : Gelendzhik
Hello Dmitry!
Posmotrel ya 13 Jul 95 16:03 na tvoi karakuli ot 12 Jul 95 03:28 i reshil
postuchat' po klavisham i koe-chto napisat':
DP> Allo, All? Privet
DP> Ne znaet li kto, skol'ko stoit nynche kojko-mesto v Gelendzhike ili v
Anape?
My byli v etom godu v Novomihajlovke pod Tuapse i kojka - mesto v sutki v
chastnom sektore stoila v konce iyunya ot 10 do 15 tys.rublej
DP> Bue!
DP> Dmitry
DP> -+- GoldED 2.50.Beta5+
DP> + Origin: P MYLO, SOZDAYUSHCHEE NASTROENIE P (2:5030/276.44)
Vlad
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To: lem@exban.msk.su
Organization: SKB NIPIokeangeofizika
From: Andrey Vanin
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 95 17:50:30 +0400 (MSD)
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Zdravstvujte Leonid.
Mne tozhe bol'she nravitsya Krym.
V Rybach'em otlichnyj galechnyj plyazh. I pod vodoj nyryat' gorazdo interesnee.
S uvazheniem Andrej.
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To: lem@exban.msk.su
Organization: The Ukrainian Chamber of Commerce and Industry. Department of
Information.
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:39:12 +0300 (UKR)
From: "Gleb I. Babenko"
Subject: Re: Voprosy po prodazhi zh/d biletov (pis'mo)
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Hi, lem@exban.msk.su!
In you wrote:
[slightly skipped]
>A kak bilety prodayut na Ukraine (interesuet Simferopol'),
>Tak zhe kak v proshlom, "shustrye" rebyata vse s ruk i dorozhe ili
>mozhno kupit' v kasse na chelovecheskie mesta po chelovecheskoj
>cene ?
Po poslednim svedeniyam bilety na Ukraine bezfamil'nye (poslednij
raz ezdil na poezde 2 nedeli nazad). Iz Simfi obratnye bilety luchshe
brat' srazu po priezdu tuda, t.k. v den' ot®ezda mozhno i ne vzyat'
(ya imeyu v vidu v kasse). No v predvaritel'nyh za nedelyu-dve -- mozhno.
|to 15-20 minut ot zh/d vokzala na trollejbuse (nomer ne pomnyu).
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To: lem@exban.msk.su
From: Denis Zuyev
Subject: Re: Pros'ba .... (pis'mo)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 01:00:10 +0300
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ls> Kupili tuda na Sevastopol'skij (25) poezd v plackart na bokovye.
|to firmennyj skoryj poezd, vy na doroge neskol'ko chasov s'ekonomite.
Vam nado budet po priezdu pytat'sya kupit' obratnye bilety,
v Simferopole sovsem drugaya situaciya. Kogda ty edesh'?
ls> A to vchera byli v central'nyh kassah - obratnyh biletov voobshche
ls> nikakih. Kak avgust, tak pustota. Dazhe interesno.
Prosto obratnye bilety kontroliruet ukrainskaya zheleznaya doroga, v Moskvu ih
malo dohodit. Ne zabyvaj chto ty zagranicu edesh'.
ls> Vot, vot u menya srok men'shij.
Kupit' bilety v _Simferopole_ bolee ili menee real'no, tak chto ne otchaivajsya,
esli v Moskve ne kupish'.
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To: lem@exban.msk.su
From: Denis Zuyev
Subject: Tvoya poezdka
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 22:00:08 +0300
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Privet!
Thursday July 20 1995, pis'mo lem@exban.msk.su k Denis Zuyev:
>> |to firmennyj skoryj poezd, vy na doroge neskol'ko chasov
>> s'ekonomite. Vam nado budet po priezdu pytat'sya kupit' obratnye
>> bilety, v Simferopole sovsem drugaya situaciya. Kogda ty edesh'?
ls> 6 avgusta, utrom 7 dolzhny byt' tam ~ 11.00 (t'fu-t'fu ne sglazit').
Kstati, zabyl napisat' ran'she, etot poezd ochen' udoben po mnogim prichinam.
Firmennye poezda na Simferopol' prihodyat primerno v tozhe vremya i imenno k ih
pribytiyu edut avtobusy, vstrechayushchie otdyhayushchih (iz sanatoriev i t.p.) V nih
mozhno vpisat'sya (dogovorivshis' s voditelem), eto imho optimal'nyj sposob uehat'
s vokzala. Eshche u vas budet vremya vyyasnit' situaciyu s biletami v Moskvu, vremya
dobrat'sya k vecheru do Sudaka mnogo, esli pribyt' v Simferopol' vo vtoroj
polovine dnya to voznikayut problemy s dobiraniem do poberezh'ya.
>> Prosto obratnye bilety kontroliruet ukrainskaya zheleznaya doroga, v
>> Moskvu ih malo dohodit. Ne zabyvaj chto ty zagranicu edesh'.
ls> Da no moj drug ran'she (pisal uzhe) vzyal bez problem .
Ne zabyvaj chto ty edesh' v pik (po kolichestvu lyudej) sezona, kakoe to kolichestvo
biletov do Moskvy dohodit, tvoj drug ezdil kogda s biletami problem men'she
bylo.
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To: lem@exban.msk.su
From: Kuhtin Sergey Anatolievich
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:16:53 +0400 (MSD)
Subject: Re: Voprosy po prodazhi zh/d biletov (pis'mo)
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Privet !
>
>
>Vot takoj vopros na schet zh/d biletov.
>Pomnit'sya mne s 1 iyulya 1995 g. vvedena prodazha
>biletov iz Moskvy s "familiej" t.e. s pasportom.
>A kak bilety prodayut na Ukraine (interesuet Simferopol'),
A na Ukraine eto uzhe davno-davno otmenili!
>Tak zhe kak v proshlom, "shustrye" rebyata vse s ruk i dorozhe ili
>mozhno kupit' v kasse na chelovecheskie mesta po chelovecheskoj
>cene ?
Ne znayu kak v Krymu, no v Kieve - prihodi, postoj v ocheredi (chelovek 5-6) na
vokzale v den' otpravleniya i ezzhaj.
Esli hochesh' zaranee - eto v kassy predvaritel'noj prodazhi (tozhe ochered' ne
ochen' bol'shaya).
A eti umniki - prodazha s ruk - vez'de est'!
No s biletami v kassah stolo namnogo legche!
>I eshche ya pomnitsya kak-to uzhe zadaval etot vopros, no
>putnogo otveta ne poluchil:
>Est' li, ili mozhet budet, spravochnaya po prodazhe biletov
>v elektronnom vide? (CHto-to tipa BBS, news-servera i t.d.)
Nu, ty razmechtalsya!
I s golosom problemy - a ty hochesh' eshe i ol-line!
U nas zdes' ne YAponiya!
>A to chto-nibud' putnogo uznat' ili zakazat' golosom
>po obychnoj spravochnoj ochen' trudno.
|to ty naprasno. Esli dozvonishsya - rasskazhut vse - eto tochno sam probyval.
No eto v Kieve. Otnositel'no Kryma - sprosi u nih. Tam uzlov mnogo.
Esli adres ne najdesh' - pishi, najdu parochku.
Sergej
Vzyato iz CityCat-ovskoj rassylki
"Novosti Kryma". (C)Trans-M-Radio 13/08/99
Sm. takzhe sajt o Sudake http://www.sudak.crimea.ua
CHastnoe mnenie
Dobroe vremya, uvazhaemye ot®ezzhayushchie i ne menee priezzhayushchie! Leto v razgare,
pochti kipyatochnoe more polnitsya proshlogodnimi meduzami i svezhepostupivshimi
kupal'shchicami. Raj na zemle. Odnako ne vse tak prozrachno i oranzhevo, kak
kazhetsya na pervyj vzglyad. Primerom tomu postupayushchie ot Vas, uvazhaemye
tovarishchi, vpechatleniya i zamechaniya.
Privet Vladimir,
Vospol'zovalsya tvoim priglasheniem i pishu o svoih vpechatleniyah ot Kryma
99. Nachnem s togo, chto v etom godu my s sem'ej reshili ehat' v Sudak.
Predvaritel'no cherez Internet ya vyyasnil vse osnovnye voprosy, kotorye menya
interesovali: uroven' cen na zhil'e, proezd, produkty pitaniya, raspisanie
avtobusov iz Simferopolya v Sudak. Tam zhe, v Internete ya nashel neskol'ko
telefonov, po kotorym predlagalos' zhil'e. My pozvonili i dogovorilis' na
komnatu po 1.5$ za kojko - mesto. Priehali my v Simferopol' na poezde
Peterburg-Sevastopol' okolo 5 utra do pervogo avtobusa ostavalos' chasa
poltora. Tak kak biletov v Pitere kupit' ne udalos', to ya srazu zhe poshel
uznavat' est' li bilety do Pitera. V obychnyh kassah ih ne okazalos'. Mne
posovetovali obratit'sya v Servis-centr. V Servis centre, konechno zhe, etot
vopros reshili bez problem. Prichem zamechu v obychnoj prodazhe biletov ne bylo,
a obratno my ehali v polupustom vagone.
Itak, bilety na obratnuyu dorogu my kupili i s legkim serdcem poshli na
avtobusnuyu ostanovku. Tam bylo te zhe vse bez problem, pravda bilety na
avtobus okazalis' dorozhe chem my predpolagali, no ono i ponyatno benzin
dorozhaet.
Sejchas ya sdelayu nebol'shoe liricheskoe otstuplenie. Simferopol'skij vokzal
ostavil o sebe krajne nepriyatnoe vpechatlenie. Temno, vse remontiruetsya,
ukazateli nevnyatnye. Nosil'shchikov net. Posidet' negde (sidyachih mest ochen'
malo i vse oni zanyaty).
(A ved' s zimy chinyut'. wm)
Vid ulichnyh kafe doveriya ne vyzyvaet. I samoe glavnoe, GOSPODA OTDYHAYUSHCHIE
I PUTESHESTVENNIKI NIKOGDA, POVTORYAYU NIKOGDA, NE MENYAJTE VALYUTU U MENYAL NA
VOKZALAH. Esli i menyat' s ruk, to luchshe vsego u postoyannyh lyudej, te
kotorye garantirovano stoyat vsegda na odnom meste.
Nu a teper' prodolzhim. Pribyli my v Sudak okolo 8.30. Tut zhe na nas
nabrosilis' babushki i odin molodoj chelovek. CHto samoe interesnoe, vmesto
togo chtoby obrabatyvat' nas oni nachali rugat'sya mezhdu soboj. Osmelyus' dat'
eshche odin sovet tem kto priehal v kurortnoe mestechko i emu dosazhdayut s
predlozheniyami zhil'ya. Dostatochno skazat', chto vy priehali po adresu i vse
poteryayut k vam interes. My tak i postupili. Otvyazavshis' ot babushek my poshli
zvonit' cheloveku, s kotorym my dogovarivalis' o zhil'e, no ego ne okazalos'
na meste. Vot tut-to vstupil v igru nekij dyadya Grisha, kotoryj okazalsya samym
hitrym ili umnym (komu kak ugodno) iz vseh kto nas atakoval s predlozheniyami
zhil'ya. Dyadya Grisha ne tusovalsya v obshchej tolpe. On tihon'ko proshel s nami do
zdaniya vokzala, podozhdal poka my otzvonimsya i vzyal nas teplen'kimi. Ne spesha
rasskazal o tom, chto on predlagaet, vzyal u menya odnu iz sumok i povel v svoi
penaty. Kak okazalos' my ne progadali. ZHil'e nam dostalos' neplohoe, esli ne
skazat' horoshee. Platili my po 1.5$ za mesto i imeli za eto komnatu na treh
chelovek, obshchuyu kuhnyu, holodil'nik, televizor, dush, udobstva vo dvore, vsegda
holodnuyu vodu i, v srednem cherez den', banyu. Hozyaeva i sosedi popalis'
horoshie. YA znayu nekotorye zhaluyutsya, chto u nih chto-to propadaet i t.p. U nas
nikakih ekscessov ni s kem ne bylo.
Nu i vot my u morya. Pogoda stoyala zharkaya. Pravda shtorm, a zatem
posledovavshij posle nego priliv nagnal gryazi, no v celom voda v Sudake
okazalas' chishche chem v Feodosii osobenno, esli kupat'sya ne na central'nom
plyazhe v na okrainah. Mne bol'she vsego ponravilos' na myse Alchak. Voda
chistejshaya, teplaya. Ochen' mnogo zhivnosti pod vodoj: ryba, kraby, rapany,
meduzy i eshche mnogo chego. Voobshche dlya teh kto lyubit' nyryat', to eto konechno
luchshe delat' tam gde kamenistoe dno. Nu v obshchem odnim slovom krasota.
Za te dve nedeli, chto my otdyhali my nakupalis' "do otryzhki". Slegka
nauchilis' (naskol'ko eto vozmozhno) hodit' na parusnoj doske,
fotografirovalis' pod vodoj, ezdili na ekskursii. Pili vino, eli frukty i
t.d. i t.p.
K slovu ob ekskursiyah, vinah i fruktah. K sozhaleniyu, s rebenkom na ekskursii
ezdit' ochen' slozhno. ZHarko. Da i ceny v etom godu byli dostatochno vysokie
(ono ponyatno - toplivo). A vina v Krymu, kak vse znayut, prosto klass.
Konechno ya ne pil nastoyashchih francuzskih ili ispanskih vin, no iz togo k chemu
ya imeyut dostup eto samye luchshie, prichem ya bol'she predpochitayu Koktebel'skie
vina i shampanskoe iz Novogo Sveta. Moe samoe lyubimoe - "Staryj Nektar".
Krome marochnyh vin my konechno pokupali i domashnie vina. Tut vse gorazdo
slozhnee. I vybor bol'she i kachestvo ne vezde dostojnoe. Mnogoe zavisit ot
vashego vkusa, no ya naprimer, rekomenduyu pokupat' kreplenye vina, potomu chto
s suhih vin horoshih nam ne popalos'. Net, konechno zhe, ni o kakih
otravleniyah rechi ne idet. Pro eto ya ne slyshal, a vot naschet
nedobrokachestvennogo tovara s etim ya stolknulsya. Ne povezlo nam s odnim iz
vidov domashnego vina iz Izabelly, kotoroe my kupili domoj v Piter, Ono
zabrodilo. Zato drugoe vino "Bastardo" doehalo prekrasno i vsem ochen'
ponravilos'. A v Sudake my v odin iz pervyh dnej kupili "Magarach", kotoroe
okazalos' tozhe ochen' kachestvennym vinom. Potom my pokupali u etogo zhe
prodavca ego eshche neskol'ko raz, no, k sozhaleniyu, v poslednie dni pered
ot®ezdom zhenshchiny, kotoraya prodavala "Magarach" ne bylo i nam ne udalos'
privezti etogo vina domoj.
(eh, a shampanskoe, shampanskoe Novosvetskoe zabyli, vse, ves' otdyh
na smarku. wm)
Nu i nemnogo o fruktah. Arbuzy i dyni ne cheta tem, kotorye prodayutsya v
Pitere. Osobenno nam ponravilas' ananasovaya dynya. Kak nam skazali v .Krymu
etot sort poyavilsya nedavno. Vinograda my poeli nemnogo, tak kak byl ne
sezon. A vot persik byl dostatochno dorogoj. Ceny na persiki prakticheski
takie zhe kak i v Pitere, pravda vkus sovershenno drugoj. U nas persiki
napominayut po vkusu ... Dazhe ne znayu chto.
Neskol'ko slov o pitanii. Pitalis' my v osnovnom zelen'yu (pomidory, ogurcy,
arbuzy, dyni). Izredka hodili na rynok, no eto okazalos' bespolezno, tak kak
ceny na Kurortnoj ili Kiparisovoj allee, po puti k plyazhe byli takie zhe kak i
na rynke. Inogda hodili pitat'sya i popit' vina v kafe. Po sovetu nashih
sosedej pervyj raz poshli v kafe "SH", a potom reshili poeksperimentirovat' i
poshli v drugoe kafe, "S". Tak vot lyulya-kebab (kebab - do sih por ne znayu kak
pravil'no) iz "S" do sih por komom vstayut v gorle kak tol'ko ya ego
vspominayu. Poetomu eksperimentov nad zheludkom my bol'she ne stavili i
pitalis' v "SH" tem bolee, chto nam tam vse ochen' ponravilos': i obsluzhivanie,
i kuhnya i voobshche... I eshche neskol'ko zahodili v kakoe-to kafe (u nih nazvanie
bylo kuda-to spryatano) i popit' pivka, tak kak u nih igrala ta muzyka,
kotoraya nravit'sya i mne i zhene. Na plyazhe nichego zharenogo, pechenogo, krome
kukuruzy i krevetok my pochti ne pokupali, tak kak nasmotrelis' na nashih
sosedej, kotorye travanulis' kopchenoj kuroj i po sovetu hozyaev.
Edinstvennoe, sdelali isklyuchenie dlya dyadi Pashi s ego cherepashkami i kak
okazalos' ne zrya. |to bylo vkusno i pitatel'no.
(Nu sobstvenno takie veshchi ya ne rekomenduyu pokupat' i v Kieve, i v
Pitere. wm)
Nu i v konce nemnogo o toplivnom rynke Kryma. Moi znakomye ezdili v Sudak na
mashine. Tak vot. Benzin dorogoj. Benzin ne kupit', a esli i kupil, to mashina
na nem ehat' otkazyvaetsya. Namuchilis' oni so svomi "kolesami". Poetomu moj
vam sovet "Letajte samoletami Aeroflota". Hotya ya sam mechtayu popast' v Krym
na chetyreh, v krajnem sluchae, na dvuh kolesah.
(nu ne znayu, moi znakomye vernulis' nedelyu nazad, vse normal'no s toplivom.
wm)
A esli skazat' chestno, to nam vse ochen' ponravilos'. Priroda, krepost',
Novyj Svet, cvetnye buhty, vino, frukty, more, solnce i t.d. i t.p. vse bylo
ochen' klassnoe.
P.S. Nazvaniya ne pisal, chtoby ne sochli eto reklamoj.
P.P.S. Komu interesno, pishite otvechu na vashi voprosy, mogu dat' adres nashih
hozyaev i t.p.
Best regards, Alexander mail: sua@bee-pitron.spb.su
Aleksandr, spasibo bol'shoe za Vashe pis'mo! YA dumayu, chto Vashi
vpechatleniya i opyt otdyha v Krymu pomogut mnogim nashim chitatelyam. Ot sebya
zamechu, chto dollar nemnogo upal i segodnya ego prodayut po 4.80. Pokupayut zhe
po 4.40 grivny za edinicu. Priezzhajte, v Krymu eshche zharko i frukty.
S uvazheniem, Vladimir.
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